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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 7/3/2010 12:34:09 PM   
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$41 Million on its opening day!



Did NOT quite see that coming.


It's one of the most anticipated films of the year, it was bound to pull in record breaking weekend numbers.

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 7/3/2010 2:48:10 PM   
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The original tales of Alice In Wonderland/Through The Looking Glass were about imagination and nonsense and how these clashed with the prevailing sensibility at the time the books were written.  Alice was a very proper English girl who found maturity in a place as immature as Wonderland...while also developing a new sense of the absurd.  The bowdlerised Disney cartoon and the late 1980s miniseries with Ringo Starr and Sir Ben Kingsley both made this point.  This version seems to swap things around. 

Without giving too much away, Alice seems to have lost the sense of wonder that she had earlier in life, and her bizarre friends are trying to get her to be the "Alice" they remember in order to save Wonderland (for some reason Burton gives it another name) by slaying the fearsome Jabberwocky.  Her arrival in Wonderland after fleeing a very stuffy garden party is where the visual feast begins.  After negotiating the door into Wonderland, she is surrounded by all sorts of weird and wonderful things and a sense of craziness that persists right up until we are introduced to Johnny Depp's Mad Hatter.  Sad to say, this is where the movie takes a dip it almost fails to recover from.

The Hatter in this version seems to be the mutant lovechild of Madonna and Ronald McDonald.  He goes from comic madness with Depp's shrill English tones to a darker sort where he lapses into the voice of a manic Scotsman.  The original Hatter was mad but harmless, this version gives you the impression that he veers from mere harmless madness to a more psychotic edge, and the change (marked by his eyes appearing to change colour) can occasionally be jarring.  Add to that the weird bulbous head of Helena Bonham-Carter's Red Queen (who was more annoying than menacing) and you have a movie with a feeling of something very wrong in its middle act.

The movie changes from the colourful wonderment of the opening act to something far darker, muted colour and a sense of darkness that even makes Anne Hathaway's White Queen seem distant and cold.  The audience doesn't even warm much to Alice, whose pouty insistence that she's dreaming and almost forthright sense of making everything around her do as she wants makes her appear occasionally as bad as the Red Queen she's trying to get rid of.

Thank God for Stephen Fry's understated but whimsical Cheshire Cat and Alan Rickman as the stuffy but cryptic Caterpillar.  These two characters are the only ones who stay close to the storybook originals.  The Cat is underused, Caterpillar about the right amount as he was always only a guide and not companion to Alice.  The Jabberwocky is well realised as well, with Christopher Lee's deep tones perfect for its voice.  It doesn't quite conjure the air of total menace it is supposed to, but this is a PG rated film after all.

I often think of Tim Burton as the punk era Woody Allen, a troubled nerd with the air of a man who's been bullied his whole life long taking his payback through his work.  In this case I think the real Mad Hatter here is Burton himself.  His twisted take on a classic book shows his own flaws, but that it just barely scrapes through and manages to be moderately entertaining is a testament to the man's skill.  Flawed, but enjoyable.

I also found the dance bit unnecessary.  Reinforces my earlier description of the Hatter.

2.5 out of 5.

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 7/3/2010 5:52:11 PM   
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It's one of the most anticipated films of the year


Oooh, the buzz was still pretty bad leading up to release though.

I saw it today, but due to getting no sleep the night before, I (despite my best efforts) fell asleep and missed 70% of the movie. Silly me.

I shall not shell out to watch it again. I'll wait for DVD. From what I saw, it looked not-good-but-not-bad. In other words, a distinct case of 'meh'. But I cannot truly judge until I watch the rest of the movie.

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 7/3/2010 6:10:18 PM   
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This was certainly a case of failing to meet expectations. I think this is one of the worst Burton films I've seen (although I refused to watch Planet of the Apes so that could've been worse.) However, it's still a lot better than a lot of films out there. And that just makes my world sadder because I believe he could have delivered something very special.

Nearly all the right ingredients were there. The main one missing for me was the direction. Mia showed she could act with life, energy, vivacious wonder, etc. in the penultimate scene when she confronted all the people at the "proposal" gathering and then when planning the expansion of the shipping business into China. Why on earth then did she act so flat and listless in the rest of the film? Likewise, the story was lacking, Depp was inconsistent, and it felt like a boat going downstream without a rudder. We all knew where it was going to end thanks to the prophecy and sadly it lacked wonder (ironically).

On a side note, I don't think many English-speaking directors are very good at fairy tales. Compare this film with Miyazaki (everything he's done) or Del Toro (Pan's Labyrinth) or Jeunet (Delicatessen). I read a great article about the subject but can't remember where it was. I shall go and look for it...

I tend to agree with BBB's comments. It wasn't that bad and there were some fabulous elements but it should have been so much better.

3.5 stars.

Oh, and I saw it in 3D and thought it looked gorgeous. I didn't experience the issues you had Keyzer, maybe yours wasn't set up properly?

My fave pic of the Jabberwock, courtesy of the legendary Rodney Matthews:




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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 8/3/2010 10:39:17 AM   
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It's one of the most anticipated films of the year


Oooh, the buzz was still pretty bad leading up to release though.



No it wasn't. The 2 early test screenings that took place for the film were only 2 weeks ago, and they were positive. Any other "negative" buzz was hear say and nothing more.

The hype campaign for this has been strong and has been going for a long time. Also, like Avatar, it's a movie the whole family can go to, so any age will be flooding to see this.

It was going to be a massive hit from day 1.

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 10/3/2010 4:55:40 PM   
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This movie was average. Probably a 3/5. Not anything particularly exciting about the film. Also the 3D was fairly gimmicky and not that great.

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 20/3/2010 6:42:03 PM   
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First off, this my first review posted on this site, so if it seems lacking, I urge you to bear with me.

I feel the need to underline what has been stated here a few times; this movie was originally not intended to be in 3D, and as a consequence, it's 3D elements may seem lacking to some people, and personally, having seen this in 3D twice I can say that I think the normal version would be, for lack of a better phrase, quite as good.

And good is certainly to word to use here. Ever since my disappointment at the majority of the Harry Potter films after Chamber of Secrets, I have learned to not believe the hype, and went into the cinema for this one as indifferent as I came out of it, if disappointed. It seems to me that Tim Burton is becoming lackluster in his approach to film making these days, as exemplified by this film. From the outset, I was instantly set on edge by the overtly stereotyped character that Burton's Alice was on the brink of being thrown into wedlock with, the opposite extreme being the character of her mother, who I think was understated and pushed aside, as most of this film's most engaging characters were.

After Alice's sudden mid-proposal flee into the nearby woods and her plunge into Wonderland, as well as a recycled and familiar door-unlocking sequence interrupted by distracting voice-overs, engagement level rises, but for the most part leaves the viewer feeling rushed and befuddled; which may or may not be a point of the film. After a too soon-introduced chase scene, the Mad Hatter character enters, entering with a level of charm that disintegrates as rapidly as his advertised walk across the table. Here the plot hits a peak of numbed interest, and stays there up until the third act, where it falls just as quickly as Alice's final opponent.

For a movie that takes after the main character's namesake, there is really nothing that charming about this Alice in comparison to any of the previous versions, outside from the tip-of-the-hat line "Curiouser and curiouser." In fact, it seems more like the film's protagonist is pushed through the story as literally as the story seems to make it out like, which may seem like an oxymoron, until you see the movie. The unfortunate point of this is that the most engaging, and source accurate, characters only really make minute appearances in the plot, which may be rooted in their less than pivotal, but still important roles in the original novel. These characters being the caterpillar and the very noteworthy Cheshire Cat, who for me, saved the film.

As the story progresses, the movie's moral, "forge your own path", or moreover "nobody can make your life for you", is repeatedly thrown in the audience's face up to the point that it almost becomes aggravating. Alice constantly denies suggestions given forth by other characters, but never gives reasons behind these (namely, why she refuses to slay the Jabberwocky), and yet, at the end, I can't help but feel Burton has betrayed his own muse by having the more 'normal' side of the battle win, and going just short of sending the message that it's OK to be cruel to people who are different (maybe I'm drawing too much out of this? But really, listen to some of the things said to the Red Queen). Where this film lets itself down is it goes from being a mystical adventure story to an epic battle saga along the lines of Chronocles of Narnia. In fact, if it weren't for the size-changing foods, it might as well be, for the amount of 'wonder' this Underland lacks. The story is weak, and leaves many questions unanswered or unexplained. I also feel the need to express the disappointment at the Hatter's ending dance, as well as the Jabberwocky's magical return-me-home venom.

All in all, Alice in Wonderland is a spectacle. It's fun to watch, but certainly nothing special, and hardly worth the price of seeing it in 3D, unless that is something you're into. Burton has tried to overcomplicate a simple story, simulaneously often undercomplicating some chatacters, as well as key plot points.

6/10, for unfufiled potential and rushed plot.

(And on a side note, I found the March Hare character most tiring of all, and cannot fathom why so many people find him entertaining.)

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 20/3/2010 6:48:16 PM   
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Good review Cleo - welcome

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 20/3/2010 7:11:32 PM   
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Thank you and thank you.

And I'd have to agree with you, 4/5 will definitely drop after seeing it again, DVD or not. Once was enough for me, but I was dragged along again.

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 20/3/2010 8:52:20 PM   
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That review was anything but lacking, welcome indeed Cleo. I hope there are plenty more like that to come.

The only point that puzzled me was when you said it's not worth the price of seeing it in 3D yet saw it in that format twice. I'm just being pedantic sure, but it's something you'll have to get used to round these parts.


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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 20/3/2010 9:15:30 PM   
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No, I would have noticed the same thing, and it is a totally understandable observation.

I saw it 3D twice because the first time my friends dragged me to it, and the second my mum. She really wanted to see it, so I wasn't about to let her down. Plus, she paid for it.

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 20/3/2010 9:21:53 PM   
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Ah, your first response didn't show up when i was replying. That's a totally understandable answer, nearly anything is worth watching when it's someone else's shout

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 22/3/2010 6:22:38 PM   
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I have now seen the full film, and now that I have, I must admit that I think it's very entertaining indeed.

The movie is flawed, that's for SURE. It could be very irritating at times. For example, the message is overly obvious and the script wasn't that great (but still servicable, just like with Avatar). The weird acting/dialogue can seem like it's trying too hard to be be weird occasionally (rather than the zaniness always just coming naturally) and some of it was just heavy-handed, annoying as hell, and flat as can be.

But after seeing the overall product, I must say that I still found this film incredibly enjoyable. Mia Wazowsika's Alice could be too docile, but she was very pretty and watchable for the most part. Depp and Bonham Carter could also mess up the acting slightly at times, but were generally very acceptable. And Stephen Fry's Cheshire Cat was brilliant, such a fun character.

The action and story were stock, but worked very well in being fun. The imagery was generally fantastic, just like the world of the film was on the whole. This was an imaginative and grand movie to watch. Even though at the same time this sort of thing has been done before and done better, I still found it dazzling, and found that it still had a degree of originality given that Burton applied his own unique touch to it. Basically, in spite of being heavily flawed, I would whole-heartedly say that it works.

As studio-manufactured entertainment, this fits the bill quite nicely, and the movie on a whole ended up impressing me a lot more than the opening half-hour that I saw two weeks ago.

Burton has fallen a long way as a director (this being far from his best film), giving in to an obscene degree of style-over-substance and self indulgence (not to say that he was ever particularly restrained), but he can still make films that are enchanting to watch. Even though the good and the bad of this film are present in about equal measure, I loved the good aspects of it so much that it elevates the movie as a whole quite a bit in my mind. I think this is the most watchable movie in cinemas at the moment (even though many would criticise me for this, I'd be quicker to watch Alice again than I would be to re-watch Green Zone, Hurt Locker or Shutter Island).

4/5

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 22/3/2010 6:48:46 PM   
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^ Thats fair comment. Watching Shutter Island again once you know the story is like watching Sixth Sense again and trying to pick up on the logic flaws - still a great movie but you go in with a set agenda. AIW is simply visual entertainment and while certainly flawed it was a treat at the time. Not sure about Green Zone as have not seen it but could certainly watch HL again

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 25/3/2010 9:12:46 PM   
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Did anyone else notice the Christopher Lee cameo? 

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 26/3/2010 10:13:03 AM   
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We all did, lol.

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RE: Alice in Wonderland - 26/3/2010 12:02:04 PM   
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It wasn't exactly a cameo was it - he was always included in list of characters. Maybe a small part but that is a different concept to a cameo I would have thought

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